tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post6236008424771871110..comments2023-11-03T17:20:18.270-07:00Comments on William & Mary Dyer: The ghost ship of 1647Christy K Robinsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-30143995033959617302023-11-03T14:59:55.056-07:002023-11-03T14:59:55.056-07:00Great story, my wife’s 9th great grandfather was o...Great story, my wife’s 9th great grandfather was on that ship, his name was Dr. Francis Brewster He was a barber surgeon Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-57930774127662897972023-06-21T11:13:30.029-07:002023-06-21T11:13:30.029-07:00Commenter Russell W. Taylor of California names th...Commenter Russell W. Taylor of California names the phantom ship “Fellowship.” I have not seen an actual name given in any other on-line articles about the real ship, the loss of it or the legendary apparition. I would ask Russell (or any of you) if you know a primary source for the name of the ship or was the name from family lore of the Taylor’s. The building of the ship was such a major investment for New Haven that it seems implausible that the ship was not given a name.<br /><br />Another unresolved aspect seems to be:<br />Was the ship built in New Haven or Newport, R.I.? Does anyone have a primary source on this detail.<br /><br />Excellent article and discussion. Our family is descended from Francis Brewster (the younger), father of Rev. Nathaniel. Francis was on the ship by many accounts and had some ownership in the vessel.<br /><br />—Maribeth Zay Fischer, Indianapolis<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-4602131484841627452021-10-03T05:02:50.129-07:002021-10-03T05:02:50.129-07:00John Taylor is one of my great grandfather's o...John Taylor is one of my great grandfather's on my dad's side. Very interesting story here. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03425571011233223457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-34916282500399242482021-07-01T03:42:45.951-07:002021-07-01T03:42:45.951-07:00Upon coming to the new country, some persons decid...Upon coming to the new country, some persons decided not to risk the lives of all of their children, leaving some back in England with their grandparents. Also, the possibility of death for very young children would be high. (Part of my family was shipwrecked off the Canadian coast in 1821: the only victim on the while ship was a 3-year-old.) After seeing all safe and sound in America, the retrieval trip could occur. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125462328369358504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-27850049297094417742021-04-17T06:42:56.233-07:002021-04-17T06:42:56.233-07:00Very interesting post. I do believe, however, tha...Very interesting post. I do believe, however, that John Davenport came seven years after the Winthrop Fleet, on the Hector, with some of his congregation.John-Paul DeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743701916793956871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-31202112376830928262019-07-05T11:58:28.311-07:002019-07-05T11:58:28.311-07:00My Taylor Family lore has another puritan; "J...My Taylor Family lore has another puritan; "John Taylor," on that ship also. His wife Rhoda Tinker filed his will which was written Nov. 1645,before the sailing of the ship,"Fellowship." They had at least two sons: John & Thomas. Among the descendents from New Milford, Ct. was Nathaniel W.Taylor. b.1786. See "Nathaniel Taylor, New Haven Theology, by Sweeney, isbn 0-19-51-5428-2, Oxford Press 2003.Pg. 15-19. Also the numerous references given on Pg.158-9. <br />About 1800 some descendents moved to Bradford County, PA. settling along Wyalusing creek. Abraham a Revolutionary War teamster is buried in the old Stevensville cemetery. I'm descended from Abe's second son: Nathan, born in New Milford who moved with Abe to Pa. and later to St. Clair, Illinois 1838. Coincidently (probably not because there were Dyers in New Milford also) one of Nathans daughters; Belinda, married Ephraim Dyer. Ref.(Aug. 18,1856, Butte County, Calif. probate for Charles Taylor/another of Nathans's sons). note: Ephraim & Belinda Taylor Dyer had at least 10 children. Ref 1860 census, household 1063, Pike, Bradford County, PA. <br />This story stretches from coast to coast. Charles Taylor and Ephraim Fairchild arrived @ Sutters Fort in Ca. with the Charles Hopper wagon train out of Fort Hall (twenty wagons & 100 people)in 1847. (Ref: Sutters Diary, Oct. 4, 1847). Also: (" William Alexander Trubody and the Overland Pioneers of 1847 by Charles L Camp").<br /> <br />Russell W. Taylor, Calif. <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345698327255067838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-75704488036390060962019-01-01T20:36:37.896-07:002019-01-01T20:36:37.896-07:00Here's the reference to Francis Brewster menti...Here's the reference to Francis Brewster mentioned directly above: <br />https://books.google.com/books?id=C_w4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA102-IA12&lpg=PA102-IA12&dq=American+Genealogist+Vol+12+page+206,+Brewster&source=bl&ots=7pstqDW4Yz&sig=qQfFgPKPFtXr7-q-qJZeAuaWub8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc29y9lM7fAhUAHTQIHcpaBz4Q6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=American%20Genealogist%20Vol%2012%20page%20206%2C%20Brewster&f=false <br /><br />If you copy and paste that long URL, you should open a PDF of the magazine article.Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-20294149200068553392019-01-01T18:33:42.132-07:002019-01-01T18:33:42.132-07:00Francis Brewster was partner in the ownership of t...Francis Brewster was partner in the ownership of the ship. It is presumed he died on it through colonial probate records. See the American Genealogist Vol 12 page 206 published in 1935.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-3513862260459661372018-12-03T20:26:44.931-07:002018-12-03T20:26:44.931-07:00I don't see that a Francis Brewster was a pass...I don't see that a Francis Brewster was a passenger on this ship, and the ship most certainly never made it to Indonesia, which at the time was a Dutch territory (the "Dutch Indies"). The New Haven ship most certainly went down on its maiden voyage in January 1646, in Long Island Sound or the Atlantic Ocean between New England and old England. Because there's no editorial review or process, you can trust Ancestry.com about as much as teachers trust Wikipedia! Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-68746558371149643812018-12-03T14:38:33.371-07:002018-12-03T14:38:33.371-07:00"Lamberton's Ship" or the Phantom Sh... "Lamberton's Ship" or the Phantom Ship (at sea Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia) is the notation on my ancestors death Francis Brewster was his name. The date matches. I thought the Indonesia part was weirdAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12347739380515843610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-88234487542964374862018-10-30T12:38:55.830-07:002018-10-30T12:38:55.830-07:00Thank you for your interesting comments, Kevin.
...Thank you for your interesting comments, Kevin. <br /><br />I'm not sure that the wreck was a result of a curse, but if you believe in the power of a curse, that could be one theory. <br /><br />I do know that John Winthrop and his government participated in some underhanded activities, including having the sachem Miantonomo killed, and abducting Rhode Island men from their farms near Warwick. They arrested, imprisoned, and attempted to extort massive fines for Anne Hutchinson's son and son-in-law. And the Boston governors may have had a hand in Anne Hutchinson's family massacre in 1643, if you believe some writers who personally knew her and the situation. I covered those events in my new book, "Anne Marbury Hutchinson, American Founding Mother." http://bit.ly/RobinsonAuthor Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-8597727428962236332018-10-30T12:24:38.816-07:002018-10-30T12:24:38.816-07:00Message from my website mail
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Ghost Shipp...Message from my website mail<br /><br />Subject:<br />Ghost Shippe<br />Message:<br />I read your blog on the Ghost Shippe. I am descended from Captain Nathaniel Turner. An interesting footnote: Turner came over with John Winthrop to Boston in 1630. He would have been very familiar with Winthrop's Model of Christian Charity and the curse Winthrop put on them if they should "dissemble" with God." Turner and the New Haven Colony were very fixed on success financially. Remember they lost their colony on the Delaware to the Dutch, a great financial loss. The Ghost Shippe was their final hope for success. But is this not what Winthrop warned about?: "but if we shall neglect the observation of these articles which are the ends we have propounded, and, dissembling with our God, shall fall to embrace this present world and prosecute our carnal intentions, seeking great things for ourselves and our posterity, the Lord will surely break out in wrath against us, and be revenged of such a people, and make us know the price of the breach of such a covenant. Now the only way to avoid this shipwreck, . . . " Was the Ghost Shippe wreck just the fulfillment of Winthrop's curse? Kevin Durkin Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-44851957613810700342018-07-03T13:53:15.608-07:002018-07-03T13:53:15.608-07:00Thank you so much for this report, Christy! Did yo...Thank you so much for this report, Christy! Did you ever happen to find a name for this ship? I have been searching and I'm worried I missed it somewhere obvious, but I just can't find it. Thank you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818915113346884342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-557520745854382017-05-15T12:25:21.907-07:002017-05-15T12:25:21.907-07:00You're welcome, Anonymous. It actually was not...You're welcome, Anonymous. It actually was not unusual for New England women to travel back to England, where they had family members they'd thought they might never see again. They also had business concerns back in the home country they might have left five to ten years before, or perhaps a parent died and there was an estate to settle. The King's government, which oppressed Puritans, was in disarray during the civil wars, and the Puritan majority was in control. Not only did New Englanders visit their old home, but many families moved back permanently. Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-63498289342193167832017-05-15T11:24:10.948-07:002017-05-15T11:24:10.948-07:00Thank you for this info. I, too, am a descendant o...Thank you for this info. I, too, am a descendant of Thomas Gregson and Capt. Nathanial Turner. Also, I am descended from Mrs. Goodyear's husband, Stephen. Do you know why Mrs. Goodyear was traveling back to England? It seems unusual for a woman in those days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-71041590996058640172016-11-21T20:49:21.905-07:002016-11-21T20:49:21.905-07:00I enjoyed your information about the Phantom Ship....I enjoyed your information about the Phantom Ship. I am a direct descendant of Captain Lamberton. It is such a sad and amazing storyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-45603065696682204942016-08-24T13:49:32.514-07:002016-08-24T13:49:32.514-07:00Thank you for the information on the Phantom Ship....Thank you for the information on the Phantom Ship. I am a descendant of Nathaniel Turner.<br />J BrockAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-34231932245114061012016-06-09T11:13:32.701-07:002016-06-09T11:13:32.701-07:00Wonderful Post Christie Thanks! Wonderful Post Christie Thanks! Melissa Davenport Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08582818361870946143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-56273930692047541112015-09-12T14:52:10.592-07:002015-09-12T14:52:10.592-07:00Appreciate this blogs concise telling and links to...Appreciate this blogs concise telling and links to the Cotton Mather page, ThanksCarolyn Stearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01529454359380716038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-31743356511639864572015-01-30T13:17:48.495-07:002015-01-30T13:17:48.495-07:00Hi Christy, Thanks for the reply. My husband is ...Hi Christy, Thanks for the reply. My husband is a direct descendant of Capt. Lamberton, and I am descended from Thomas Gregson, whose daughter was married and living in Guilford. I am looking for any passengers who were from Guilford. TracyTracy Tomasellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01820225348677689729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-37193353972956440532015-01-30T11:59:24.387-07:002015-01-30T11:59:24.387-07:00I found a few names in various genealogical websit...I found a few names in various genealogical websites. The ship was carrying trade cargo, primarily, so I doubt it had very many passengers, but the names I discovered were the ship's commander George Lamberton, (militia) Capt. Nathaniel Turner, "Thomas Gregson, Mrs. Goodyear, and seven or eight figures of importance." Mrs. Goodyear was the first wife of New Haven deputy governor Stephen Goodyear, who married the widow of George Lamberton! <br /><br />This is only my guess, but the rest of the 70 people aboard would have been ship's crew. Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-6179042473250968612015-01-30T07:24:49.988-07:002015-01-30T07:24:49.988-07:00Do you have a list of the passengers?Do you have a list of the passengers?Tracy Tomasellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01820225348677689729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-7160758584963783882012-12-29T11:52:28.015-07:002012-12-29T11:52:28.015-07:00Thanks for asking, Bonnie. I believe that I found ...Thanks for asking, Bonnie. I believe that I found it in an old PDF when I was searching for info on 17th-century New England shipbuilding. The text surrounding the image referred to the building of boats in New Hampshire's rivers, where timber was plentiful. I did a screenshot and cleaned it up in Photoshop. I've been searching for that document for 45 minutes and can't find it now. Christy K Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05988458745832012138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4582751663390398171.post-36709814988750750732012-12-29T03:56:03.463-07:002012-12-29T03:56:03.463-07:00Greetings, Where is that image of New England ship...Greetings, Where is that image of New England shipbuilding from? I could use it for a project I'm doing in Salem, MA. Thanks so much! -Bonnie Smithbhttp://historysmiths.comnoreply@blogger.com